Trevor Lawrence Jr.: Now, you all are pastors, so I know there has to be a rub at some point because everything in the music business is not always above board. When you're faced with this stuff that's nefarious, how do you handle that when it comes to splits, contracts, and all of that when everybody’s integrity isn’t the same? [Intro] What’s up everybody—welcome back to The TrevBeats Show. My guests today have defined the sound of multiple generations. Between them, the credits are too many to list, but we’re talking Beyoncé, Kanye West, Missy Elliott, Mary Mary, Jamie Foxx, Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder—the list goes on and on. But when the session is over and the stadium lights go down, they answer to a higher calling. Both of my guests are also pastors. They’re navigating the studio, the boardroom, and the pulpit—balancing music, life, and spirituality. These are legends and dear friends—please welcome Nisan Stewart and Warryn Campbell. Trevor: Let’s start with time management. You’re both operating at the highest level in music while also leading churches. What does a normal week look like? Warryn Campbell: I’ll tell you the proposed schedule—because it never goes exactly how I plan it. Mondays, I do nothing. I don’t talk to anybody. I’m at home, maybe watching SportsCenter. Tuesday, I write in the morning, then I’m at church by noon for prayer, then straight to the studio. Wednesday is work during the day, Bible study at night, then back to the studio. Thursday through Sunday—it’s all sermon prep. No sessions unless absolutely necessary. Saturday, I try not to leave the house. Sunday is church. After that, I’m free again, and then Monday we reset. Trevor: And what about travel? Warryn: I built a team. And I also planned all my sermons for the year ahead. That changed everything. It gave my team clarity and gave me time back. Now I can travel, work, and still stay aligned. Trevor: Nisan, what about you—especially with something like Dancing with the Stars? Nisan Stewart: It’s similar. I plan ahead. During TV season, I use downtime to gather thoughts. Tuesdays and Thursdays are sermon prep days. I don’t want to be thinking about it on the weekend. And I’ve got family, kids, community work—it’s a lot. But the key is intentional scheduling and having a team. Trevor: Is AI part of your workflow now? Nisan: Yes. I use it as a thought partner. Not for final content, but to help shape ideas and research. You still have to verify everything. Warryn: Same. I use ChatGPT to refine sermon points, and I use sermonbook.ai to expand messages and build outlines. It saves hours. Trevor: Now let’s talk about AI in music—that’s where things get heated. Warryn: I’m a purist. I don’t love the sound of AI music—it all has a similar texture. But I do use it to spark ideas. I’ll take an old track, reimagine it with AI, then go recreate it myself. AI artists? Fine—but don’t let them compete with real artists. Nisan: I haven’t really used it in music yet. I’ve talked with Timbaland about it. I’ll explore it. But nothing replaces human feel. Trevor: Exactly. AI can’t react in real time like musicians can—especially in church environments. Trevor: Let’s talk business. How do you deal with bad deals or shady situations? Nisan: I was taught early—if something doesn’t feel right, don’t do it. You don’t have to say yes to everything. Missy Elliott taught us to value what we created. We walked away from deals that didn’t make sense—and it paid off. Warryn: I had to learn negotiation. Early on, I thought people could just take from me. Big Jon Platt taught me—it’s a negotiation. That changed everything. Trevor: Let’s talk gospel music. The sound has evolved—trap, 808s—has that affected the message? Nisan: It’s about connection. Different people connect in different ways. The message still matters most. Warryn: Some of it feels watered down to me—but it’s also reaching new audiences. So now the responsibility is making sure the message still hits. Trevor: Final question—legacy. If you could leave one thing behind: your music catalog or your sermons—what would it be? Nisan: My life’s story—through music. The ups, the downs, everything. So people can learn from it. Warryn: My sermons. My words. That’s who I am. My music is what I do—but my words are who I am. Trevor: That’s powerful. Thank you both for being here.